Monday, March 3, 2008

Think Hillary will concede? HA!!!

This race will be a dogfight all the way through the Democratic convention. Mark Hyman writes in The American Spectator:
"There is only one thing the public can be certain of regarding the Democratic presidential nomination: without a miracle, there will be a brokered convention......
A Democratic candidate needs to reach a minimum of 2,025 delegates to clinch the nomination outright. Clinton will not reach that figure before the last primary election is held in Puerto Rico on June 7. Neither will Obama. The Illinois senator needs 832 more delegates to reach the magic number of 2,025. There are only 981 remaining primary delegates that are up for grabs. Three hundred seventy delegates will be decided on March 4 and 611 will be divvied up across 12 primaries between March 8 and June 7. Obama would have to win an astonishing 85% of the remaining 981 delegates in order to claim the Democratic nomination outright. There are no winner-take-all primaries for the Democrats. Obama will never get the needed 832 delegates. He may fall short of reaching 2,025 delegates by as many as 250..."
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=12832

Mr. Hayman also makes the point that Hillary will probably go to court to get the Florida and Michigan delegates seated and that there is no way the Democrats will want to anger two of the largest states by refusing to seat their delegations. Hillary is in this for the long haul and will probably fight through the convention.

Republicans should be prepared for the possibility that Hillary wins the nomination as it is a safe bet a large segment of the black population will be alienated as they see her nomination as a case of a white candidate robbing a black candidate of his victory. The Republicans will finally have their chance to crack the monolith of black support that has held steady for decades. The spectacle of history repeating itself would be so ironic as it was Bill and Hillary who destroyed the Democrat's majority in Congress while they held power except in this case it will be Bill and Hillary who destroy the last bastion of support for the Democrats as well. Get a drink and enjoy the show folks. The next few months should be fun to watch.

18 comments:

Tom Head said...

I hope she'll concede on Wednesday. I'm pretty certain that if she doesn't, she'll at least concede after Pennsylvania.

Regardless, she will not be able to take the nomination at a brokered convention if current trends continue. Even Michigan and Florida combined would not be enough to overcome Obama's current pledged delegate lead plus the number of delegates he's likely to take in over the next month. She would get a mere 38 delegate lead (105 to 67) from Florida, and a mere 18 delegates (73 to 55) from Michigan. Right now she's trailing by 162 pledged delegates, and superdelegates will not split in favor of a candidate who is behind in pledged delegates.

Tom Head said...

The one way Clinton COULD take the lead at a brokered convention is a commanding lead in Ohio and/or Texas--by 10 points or more--followed by strong performance elsewhere and a commanding lead in Pennsylvania. But if I had to lay money down, I'd say it will probably be over very soon. Possibly this week.

Anonymous said...

Prediction: After Obama takes Texas and Ohio, Al Gore and John Edwards both endorse Obama....(I'm surprised Al has waited)......

Anonymous said...

The question though is why has she still remained in the race at all? Tin ear? Sour grapes? Bill Clinton?

Kingfish said...

You guys are assuming alot and that is Hillary loses tomorrow. I don't assume anything. If she goes to convention only behind a couple of hundred delegates, it aint over. The author makes a good point on the math and frankly, the Dems screwed themselves as they are so afraid of competition with their proportional representation crap.

Anonymous said...

I'm convinced Bill is whispering in her ear to keep it up to the bitter end.....and you are right....make no assumptions yet.....still a long, long way to go.....

Kingfish said...

how much $$$ has she given out the last few years?

Anonymous said...

And I strongly second Tom's opening comment. I hope she concedes tomorrow......goes away and takes Bill with her.

Tom Head said...

Al is waiting, rumor has it, because he's the person who will be expected to broker a compromise at the convention if it comes to that.

But let's do the math. Let's assume for the sake of argument that they use Clinton's victories in Florida and Michigan instead of doing a revote, even though a revote is the more popular option among Democratic Party leaders. That still has her gaining only a 56-delegate lead from those two primaries. Obama would still be ahead by 106.

If she doesn't absolutely kick Obama's butt in either Texas or Ohio tomorrow night, I see her dropping out of the race. My suspicion is that she will win Ohio, but only by 5 to 7 points, and that if she wins Texas at all it will not be by very much. That's no way to beat Obama's delegate lead, even if she successfully gets the original Florida and Michigan delegates with no revote.

Kingfish said...

Her argument will be she is winning the big electoral states: NY, CA, TX, Michigan, FL, Ohio, etc. 106 is too close. Of course she could argue she would have more delegates if not for the rules either in the big states.

Tom Head said...

Consider also the uncommitted superdelegates. Why do you think they're uncommitted? If they were secretly committed to Clinton, they would have said so by now to make her appear more viable and to reduce pressure on her to drop out of the race. It seems obvious at this point that the superdelegates will favor whoever has a lead in pledged delegates, and that will almost certainly be Obama regardless of whether the Florida and Michigan delegates are used.

You're speculating about this scenario being interesting to watch because it would be horrific. And it would be. But the superdelegates realize this as well as anybody.

Anonymous said...

Let me pose this: Hillary drops out and endorses Obama. Would she ever consider the VP slot? I think Michelle Obama had some negative things to say about that (I like her). What say ye all?

Tom Head said...

Ehhh... I don't think that argument will play well with anyone. Proportional representation is the system we have, and the superdelegates are not going to suddenly decide to act as if it isn't.

We'll have a winner by the convention. Here again, if Clinton's numbers are no better than I expect them to be, I wouldn't be surprised if she dropped out Wednesday.

Kingfish said...

No way the do that. They realize what she is and this is their chancce to exorcise the Clintons from the party.

Tom Head said...

I like Michelle Obama, too!

I think Hillary Clinton would definitely consider a VP slot, but I don't think Obama would pick her. He needs someone with regional appeal, and New York isn't in play; she comes with high unfavorables; and she's alienated a lot of people within the party. I wouldn't be completely stunned if he picked her anyway to unite the base, but it's not what I expect to see happen.

He probably should, however, pick a woman. My suggestion at this point would be Blanche Lincoln or Janet Napolitano. If he does not pick a woman, I would expect him to pick Bill Richardson or Wesley Clark to bolster his foreign policy resume.

Kingfish said...

Clark sounds very goofy on the stump. bad pick. Clark had no traction last time around in a weak field.

Anonymous said...

Obama would be a fool to pick Clinton to be VP.

Wesley Clark? Damn, why not pick Elmer Fudd.

Tom Head said...

Clark did sound goofy in 2004, but he shares some impressive job titles with Eisenhower--four-star general, former NATO supreme allied commander--and that could help Obama if he's perceived as having a weak resumé on foreign policy. Clark also hails from Arkansas, a swing state.

I personally would rather see Lincoln, Napolitano, or Richardson, but Wesley Clark is probably on Obama's shortlist.



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